topic title: antiX-16-b2.1-full available
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#61
Space-IceWM Desktop Icons

On some boots the icons are present, sometimes there are no icons at all on the desktop. A timing issue or race condition perhaps?

Edit
removed speculation found to be invalid after further tests on delay timing
Last edited by SamK on 01 May 2016, 06:18, edited 1 time in total.
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dolphin_oracle
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
#62
SamK wrote:Space-IceWM Desktop Icons

On some boots the icons are present, sometimes there are no icons at all on the desktop. A timing issue or race condition perhaps? Maybe its linked to the problem of the invisible mouse cursor that only appears after a window is opened.
hmmm... I've seen the rox-pinboard not come up in a rox-icewm session on my ancient sony.

there is a delay setting in etc/desktop-session/desktop-session.conf that holds up loading of a session while the wm finishes loading. that might be worth a shot.
anticapitalista
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#63
Another cheat to try that sets the desktop delay time.

c4 (which is 4 secs - default is 2)

Just make sure the 'c' comes immediately after the disable=lx ie disable=lxc4

For those with newer boxes, try

disable=lxc.5
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#64
Re: Space-IceWM Desktop Icons
dolphin_oracle wrote:there is a delay setting...
anticapitalista wrote:Another cheat to try that sets the desktop delay time.
Because of the intermittent nature of the fault it is problematical to say whether altering the delay value has an effect on the showing of the desktop icons.

After many tests using various values, in every one of them, altering the delay value has zero effect on the showing of the invisible mouse cursor. In 100% of cases tested, it remains invisible until an app window is opened.

It looks like we are dealing with separate faults. Conflating the matters is misleading so I will remove the reference to the invisible mouse in my post about the desktop icons.
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#65
Re: Invisible Mouse Cursor

From the following it seems reasonable to conclude the problem is not directly related to the age of the kit.

2 laptops, 8 years difference in age
Older system: mouse cursor is visible
Younger system: mouse cursor is invisible
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darry1966
Joined: 01 Apr 2013
#66
This happened to me in the ICEWM desktop I pressed CTRL-ALT-DEL and went into JWm problem solved.
SamK
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#67
darry1966 wrote:This happened to me in the ICEWM desktop I pressed CTRL-ALT-DEL and went into JWm problem solved.
Yes, you are right, there are also other ways to work around the problem. We are trying to establish what is causing it so antiX can ship without the user needing to employ a workaround to obtain a fully working system out-of-the-box.
anticapitalista
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#68
Re- no mouse cursor.

We need to find out what is causing this. I do not see this behaviour on my desktop, nor the old P111 nor the netbook (new lenovo).
Was b1 ok?
Is it only when running live or when installed? If installed - on every boot?

For those with the issue (installed) try this in a root terminal

update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme

Also, just to see if the issue is related only to the default cursor setting.
Anyone with this issue, run live, but choose dark theme in F6 boot menu. (ignore whether you like this theme or not, it is irrelevant to the test). Does cursor show (it should be white)
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Jerry
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
#69
I reported this for b1, but have not seen it on b2, live or installed.

BUT I am testing it on a different laptop, so will take a look at the original one.
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#70
Re: Invisible Mouser Cursor
anticapitalista wrote:We need to find out what is causing this.
Was b1 ok?
...on every boot?)
The problem is present in 16b1 and 16b2.1. It is present on every boot.

To establish the extent of the problem the following is the result of a series of live boots, where each of the desktop settings were selected in turn.
  1. Fail Default
  2. Fail Rox-IceWM
  3. Fail Space-IceWM
  4. Fail IceWM
  5. Fail Rox-Fluxbox
  6. Fail Space-Fluxbox
  7. Fail Fluxbox
  8. Pass Rox-JWM
  9. Pass Space-JWM
  10. Pass JWM
  11. Pass Herbstluftwm (possibly invalid as automatically opens Leafpad window)
  12. Fail Min-IceWM
  13. Fail Min-Fluxbox
  14. Fail Min-JWM
  15. Fail Dark Theme
  16. Fail Light Theme
The results rule out the problem being attributable to a particular WM. The interesting result is *JWM which works for all except the min variant.

For *IceWM and *Fluxbox the mouse cursor can be shown by restarting the WM via their respective menu entries.

The symptoms are very reminiscent of those I reported throughout the alpha and beta tests of antiX-15. The problem remains unresolved. It was not encountered in releases prior to 15. The suspicion is towards session stuff that was introduced in 15.
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dolphin_oracle
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
#71
Does video chipset make a difference? Xorg xserver also received a major update between Wheezy and jessie and that would matter greatly to mouse issues.
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Jerry
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
#72
Now live on the 32bit machine I used for b1, and the cursor is still invisible against the desktop, but visible inside Iceweasel.

Workaround I reported for b1 still works: use right-click to see Menu > Applications > Preferences > Customize Look and Feel. As soon as that dialogue box opens, the cursor becomes visible (as with b1).

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demo@antix1:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.4.8-antix.1-486-smp i686 (32 bit)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
           Distro: antiX-16-b2.1_386-full Berta Cáceres 26 April 2016
Machine:   System: Acer (portable) product: Aspire one v: V1.28
           Mobo: Acer model: Aspire one v: V1.28
           Bios: Acer v: V1.28 date: 07/01/2010
Battery    BAT0: charge: 14.0 Wh 87.0% condition: 16.1/22.0 Wh (73%)
CPU:       Single core Intel Atom N270 (-HT-) cache: 512 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 1600 MHz 1: 1600 MHz 2: 1066 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 945GSE Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1024x600@60.08hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GME x86/MMX/SSE2
           GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.8-antix.1-486-smp
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)
           driver: ath5k
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 00:24:2c:98:59:0d
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8132 Fast Ethernet driver: atl1c
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:23:5a:d8:20:66
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 168.0GB (1.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD1600BEVT size: 160.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Cruzer_Glide size: 8.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 1.6G used: 20M (2%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 26.8C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 119 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 90.2/2007.7MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.0
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Jerry
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
#73
On this machine, cursor is normal both live and installed:

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jb@aao722:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: aao722 Kernel: 4.4.8-antix.2-amd64-smp x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8+githubmod+20150914+fa3fdef
           Distro: antiX-16-b2.1_x64-full Berta Cáceres 26 April 2016
Machine:   System: Acer (portable) product: AO722 v: V1.08
           Mobo: Acer model: JE10-BZ Bios: Acer v: V1.08 date: 12/06/2011
Battery    BAT1: charge: 43.2 Wh 99.0% condition: 43.6/44.0 Wh (99%)
CPU:       Dual core AMD C-60 APU with Radeon HD Graphics (-MCP-) cache: 1024 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 1000 MHz 1: 1000 MHz 2: 800 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6290]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1366x768@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD PALM GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Wrestler HDMI Audio
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: ALSA v: k4.4.8-antix.2-amd64-smp
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet driver: atl1c
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: b8:88:e3:02:80:53
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter
           driver: ath9k
           IF: wlan0 state: down mac: 44:6d:57:28:e0:a3
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (1.7% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200BPVT size: 320.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 292G used: 3.1G (2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.17GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.6C mobo: N/A gpu: 51.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 142 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 184.8/3682.1MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.0
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SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#74
dolphin_oracle wrote:Does video chipset make a difference? Xorg xserver also received a major update between Wheezy and jessie and that would matter greatly to mouse issues.
A bit doubtful about these as they presumably would also affect the *JWM desktops.
anticapitalista
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#75
Are the cursor problems only with intel graphics?