antiX-16-b1-full available for testing - Page 5

SamK · posted: 2016-04-19 15:37

anticapitalista wrote:SamK - the new installer should fix this.

It does. Confirming test completed successfully.

Also good to see the default colour depth being set at 16 for SiS.

anticapitalista · posted: 2016-04-19 15:42

Excellent!

anticapitalista · posted: 2016-04-19 15:51

chrispop99 wrote:Sorry, not sure what 'Use"db+" cheat' means.

Chris

Just type db+ in the live boot menu (It gives a lot of verbiage that is useful for testing)

SamK · posted: 2016-04-20 14:41

Re: Meta Package Installer

anticapitalista wrote:
SamK wrote:Meta Package Installer

Is this primarily aimed at use within antiX-Full or antiX-Full+antiX-Base?
Currently it seems a bit of an odd mishmash.
it is for both.

In that case there is probably some untapped benefit for Base users. Perhaps some additional apps can be added to Meta Package Installer (MPI) that are shipped in antiX-Full. They will help users be aware of what is in Full and easily install them.

Speculating here...
Over time, we might gradually move towards a position where MPI contained each of the apps that represent the difference between Base and Full, making it possible, and simple for a user to start with Base and add what they wish to obtain an almost Full, or complete Full system. A move such as this might also assist in keeping antiX to CD-ROM size.

It is quite a while since I looked at Base, so some of the following may already be in place or miss the mark.

Does Base already ship with?
Connectshares
Wingrid

Apps that will be added to MPI
1-to-1 Assistance
1-to-1 Voice

Initial thoughts on apps that might be added to MPI
Droopy
Menu Manager
Streamlight

Initial thoughts on apps in MPI that might already be in Base and Full
MOC
XMMS
Claws Mail
ROX-Filer
gFTP
Newsbeuter
MPlayer

There are lots of other aspects that might be discussed but these seem obvious starting points. Is there any value to antiX and its users in exploring further an idea such as this? At the present it is nothing more than an unresearched, unpolished, idea.

chrispop99 · posted: 2016-04-21 10:39

I tried to use the Meta-package installer to install LibreOffice 5. When I launch LO, it is still version 4.3.3.2.

(It works as expected in MX.)

Chris

Shay · posted: 2016-04-22 20:03

Having fits again with Antix 15 picking up my USB sticks as sda1-2 etc.
So used a cd to install.

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$ inxi -F
System:    Host: antix16B1 Kernel: 4.4.2-antix.2-amd64-smp x86_64 (64 bit)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
           Distro: antiX-16-b1_x64-full Berta Cáceres 11 April 2016
Machine:   System: Dell product: OptiPlex 755
           Mobo: Dell model: 0GM819 Bios: Dell v: A21 date: 12/07/2011
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo E6750 (-MCP-) cache: 4096 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 2667 MHz 1: 2000 MHz 2: 2000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q35 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2
Audio:     Card Intel 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: ALSA v: k4.4.2-antix.2-amd64-smp
Network:   Card: Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full
           mac: 00:21:9b:39:6b:c7
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 120.0GB (6.5% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SanDisk_SDSSDA12 size: 120.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 39G used: 2.7G (8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 5.24GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 36.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 145 Uptime: 9 min Memory: 265.8/1959.8MB
           Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.3.0

dolphin_oracle · posted: 2016-04-22 20:05

chrispop99 wrote:I tried to use the Meta-package installer to install LibreOffice 5. When I launch LO, it is still version 4.3.3.2.

(It works as expected in MX.)

Chris

Libreoffice5 installer is completely failing. The install never happens.

metapackage-installer is a little more finicky on the format of the"recipes" than mx-packageinstaller.

Shay · posted: 2016-04-22 21:05

Thanks to eugen-b 's post at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6285&start=15

modprobe b43 did the trick.

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$ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.4.2-antix.2-amd64-smp x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.9.3)
           Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
           Distro: antiX-16-b1_x64-full Berta Cáceres 11 April 2016
Machine:   System: Dell product: Latitude D630
           Mobo: Dell model: 0KU184 Bios: Dell v: A15 date: 11/24/2008
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T7250 (-MCP-) cache: 2048 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 7977
           clock speeds: max: 2001 MHz 1: 2001 MHz 2: 2000 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x800@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 965GM
           GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: ALSA v: k4.4.2-antix.2-amd64-smp
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
           driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 09:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n
           driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 128.1GB (4.1% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SSD2SC120G1CS175 size: 120.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: JumpDrive size: 8.0GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 3.1G used: 21M (1%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.69GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda2
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 66.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 140 Uptime: 38 min Memory: 340.6/3945.5MB
           Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.9.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301) inxi: 2.2.31

Made the USB stick using install listed above.
Going to have to comment out blacklist b43, ssb and bcma in etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sth.conf

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 wl module from Broadcom conflicts with the following modules:
#blacklist b43
blacklist b43legacy
blacklist b44
#blacklist bcma
blacklist brcm80211
blacklist brcmsmac
#lacklist ssb
blacklist wl

kmathern · posted: 2016-04-22 22:32

Shay wrote:Thanks to eugen-b 's post at viewtopic.php?f=6&t=6285&start=15

modprobe b43 did the trick.
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$ inxi -Fxz ....
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
           driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 09:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n
           driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> ....
Made the USB stick using install listed above.
Going to have to comment out blacklist b43, ssb and bcma in etc/modprobe.d/broadcom-sth.conf

Last month a change was made to the BroadcomStartup script that unblacklisted some additional Broadcom pciids, so I'm surprised you still need to do that.

Would you please post the output of these 2 lspci commands:

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lspci -n

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lspci -vnn -d 14e4:

Shay · posted: 2016-04-22 23:23

lspci -n

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$ lspci -n
00:00.0 0600: 8086:2a00 (rev 0c)
00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a02 (rev 0c)
00:02.1 0380: 8086:2a03 (rev 0c)
00:1a.0 0c03: 8086:2834 (rev 02)
00:1a.1 0c03: 8086:2835 (rev 02)
00:1a.7 0c03: 8086:283a (rev 02)
00:1b.0 0403: 8086:284b (rev 02)
00:1c.0 0604: 8086:283f (rev 02)
00:1c.1 0604: 8086:2841 (rev 02)
00:1c.5 0604: 8086:2849 (rev 02)
00:1d.0 0c03: 8086:2830 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 0c03: 8086:2831 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 0c03: 8086:2832 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 0c03: 8086:2836 (rev 02)
00:1e.0 0604: 8086:2448 (rev f2)
00:1f.0 0601: 8086:2815 (rev 02)
00:1f.1 0101: 8086:2850 (rev 02)
00:1f.2 0101: 8086:2828 (rev 02)
00:1f.3 0c05: 8086:283e (rev 02)
03:01.0 0607: 1217:7135 (rev 21)
03:01.4 0c00: 1217:00f7 (rev 02)
09:00.0 0200: 14e4:1673 (rev 02)
0c:00.0 0280: 14e4:4328 (rev 03)

lspci -vnn -d 14e4:

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$ lspci -vnn -d 14e4:
09:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5755M Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express [14e4:1673] (rev 02)
    Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:01f9]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 29
    Memory at f6bf0000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=64K]
    Expansion ROM at <ignored> [disabled]
    Capabilities: <access denied>
    Kernel driver in use: tg3

0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03)
    Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1500 Draft 802.11n WLAN Mini-card [1028:000a]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
    Memory at f6cfc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=1M]
    Capabilities: <access denied>
    Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge

This is a older Dell lap warmer. My favorite at that.

Booted just fine to the persistant USB stick.

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$ lspci -vvn -s 0c:00.0
0c:00.0 0280: 14e4:4328 (rev 03)
    Subsystem: 1028:000a
    Control: I/O- Mem+ BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B- DisINTx-
    Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort- >SERR- <PERR- INTx-
    Latency: 0, Cache Line Size: 64 bytes
    Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 17
    Region 0: Memory at f6cfc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    Region 2: Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=1M]
    Capabilities: <access denied>
    Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge

kmathern · posted: 2016-04-22 23:59

Shay wrote:

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lspci -n  ...
0c:00.0 0280: 14e4:4328 (rev 03)

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$ lspci -vnn -d 14e4: ...
0c:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4321 802.11a/b/g/n [14e4:4328] (rev 03)
    Subsystem: Dell Wireless 1500 Draft 802.11n WLAN Mini-card [1028:000a]
    Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 17
    Memory at f6cfc000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K]
    Memory at f0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=1M]
    Capabilities: <access denied>
    Kernel driver in use: b43-pci-bridge

Thanks, it looks like we should add the 4328 pciid as an id that can unblacklist the b43 driver.

Shay · posted: 2016-04-23 00:31

kmathern wrote:
Thanks, it looks like we should add the 4328 pciid as an id that can unblacklist the b43 driver.

I would appreciate it greatly..

SamK · posted: 2016-04-23 07:40

High System Load

The following has been observed on multiple web sites. The antiX forum main page is used as a reference point because the behaviour is repeatable on demand.

To recreate the problem
Open Iceweasel
Navigate to the antiX forum main page
Read the last post of any topic using any link in the main page

Test environment
Booted live
No persistence
No upgrades applied
No additional software installed
Boot command

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desktop=icewm vga=791 lang=en_GB quiet splash=off disable=lx

Status before test
top reports load average of 0.2
fans off
cpu frequency generally switched to low freq 0.8GHz occasionally switching to max freq 1.7GHz

Status during test
load average rises to above 1 within a few seconds
fans begin to cycle on/off every few seconds
cpu frequency begins to cycle high/low every few seconds

There may be a kernel element in play
top begins to show an entry at the head of its process list. It cycles in sync with the above mentioned items

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16261 root      20   0       0      0      0 R 86.6  0.0   8:14.84 kworker/u4:3

To capture some further information the attached file is the output of the following command run as root

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echo l > /proc/sysrq-trigger ; dmesg --show-delta | tee report.txt

inxi -Fxz -c0

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System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.4.2-antix.2-486-smp i686 (32 bit gcc: 4.9.3) Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8
           Distro: antiX-16-b1_386-full Berta Cáceres 11 April 2016
Machine:   System: Dell product: MXC051
           Mobo: Dell model: 0HC416 Bios: Dell v: A02 date: 11/06/2005
CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium M (-UP-) cache: 2048 KB
           flags: (nx pae sse sse2) bmips: 3457 speed: 1733 MHz (max)
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1280x800@60.04hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 915GM x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.3.2 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card Intel 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.2-antix.2-486-smp
Network:   Card-1: Broadcom BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX driver: b44 v: 2.0 bus-ID: 02:00.0
           IF: eth1 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network Connection
           driver: ipw2200 v: 1.2.2kmprq bus-ID: 02:03.0
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 67.8GB (1.8% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS54106 size: 60.0GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: DataTraveler_G3 size: 7.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 579M used: 140M (25%) fs: overlay dev: N/A
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 41.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 126 Uptime: 21:25 Memory: 223.0/741.7MB Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 4.9.2
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.301) inxi: 2.2.31

SamK · posted: 2016-04-23 10:12

Idea for Meta Package Installer

This opinion was expressed previously in this thread. It succinctly encapsulates similar expressions made around the same time.

masinick wrote:Add me to the"camp" that generally prefers modest resource use. We have a reasonable blend between simplicity, ease of extending, maybe not optimal for the absolute novice, but that's not really our top focus group - those that need efficient resource utilization probably are on the top of the priority list...

At the OS level antiX is undoubtedly efficient. That does not automatically extend into the application level. Optimum efficiency and performance requires partnering the OS with appropriate lightweight apps. Some of the apps currently in Meta Package Installer (MPI) may defeat that goal.

Having apps within MPI can be seen as conferring the distro seal of approval on each of them. It suggests they all work well on any kit that runs the OS. With antiX this is only partially true, because it targets both modern highly spec'd kit and old lowly spec'd kit. In simple terms, using MPI in its current form can produce disappointing results for antiX users.

To a user, when installing a new app, the primary consideration is, will this enable me to do what I want/need to do? To an antiX user, the next priority is will it run OK on my kit? The latter is an opportunity to become more user friendly.

Within its initial interface window, MPI might offer generalized, non proscriptive guidance. Each app might be pre-allocated into one of three categories, and the guidance shown in key form something like:
[12] Works on kit manufactured in the last 12 years and possibly older
[7] Best suited to kit manufactured in the last 7 years
[3] Best suited to kit manufactured in the last 3 years
Expressing the key in terms of the age of kit is likely to be more immediately understandable than terms such as lightweight, medium-weight, heavyweight.

Each individual app will display the reference to the key as the very first item in its description area
Example: in the current Graphics section of MPI is ImageMagick. Its description is presently
ImageMagick - a software suite to create, edit and compress bitmap images
It will become
[12] ImageMagick - a software suite to create, edit and compress bitmap images

In this way the user is able to make a more informed choice before installing via MPI.

anticapitalista · posted: 2016-04-23 18:17

SamK- high system load.

There is a new version of advert-block-antix in the repo. Maybe this blocks better.