topic title: What are your favorite distros WITHOUT systemd?
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TonyVanDam
Joined: 03 Apr 2013

18 Oct 2015, 04:23 #1

Along with AntiX as the obvious #1 answer __{{emoticon}}__ , what is/are currently your favorite distro(s) without systemd?

I ask this question because I'm finally notice that AntiX is the only debian-based distro available without systemd. All of the other distros without systemd are either based on Stackware or RedHat/Fedora. Even before the systemd fallout, I've never used or tested out a distro unless it was debian-based. Shame on me for not being an advance Linux user yet! __{{emoticon}}__
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fatmac
Joined: 26 Jul 2012
#2
AntiX, as you say.
MX is the obvious next best.
Then there is/will be Devuan of course, it runs but isn't quite there yet for ordinary people.

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rokytnji
Joined: 20 Feb 2009
#3
AntiX, then Slackel, Then Puppy.

Slitaz Is OK but I struggle with cooking versions. I have a couple of GhostBSD Dvds on the rack and a DragonflyBSD on the rack with the new
Hammer file system. They tweaked my interest with the word"pragmatic" describing their developer goals. I am a pragmatic all around type of dude that does not do things because"that is they way it has been here forever and that is the way it is going to stay".
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fatmac
Joined: 26 Jul 2012
#4
True, none of the BSD's use systemd. __{{emoticon}}__
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TonyVanDam
Joined: 03 Apr 2013
#5
fatmac wrote:AntiX, as you say.
MX is the obvious next best.
Then there is/will be Devuan of course, it runs but isn't quite there yet for ordinary people.

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I already had that link bookmarked for months. __{{emoticon}}__
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#6
pasting my notes regarding debian-based"distros" which have a current (2015) release and AFAIK exclude systemd.
Really don't intend to single out a"fave"; I'll just mention the ordering reflects most-to-least interesting to me, currently.


untangle (Untangle NG Firewall)
desktop environment: xfce
browser: firefox 24.8 (esr?)
kernel: 3.2
tracking: debian oldstable?
release date: Aug 2015
current release ships systemd: no
home:
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forum:
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WHY: long-running example of successful opensource business model. good docs, active forum
-=- features/components of interest:
webfilter GPLv2

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Layer7 network filter

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OpenVPN client

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livarp (new version expected Nov31, 2015)

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Each prior release has been interesting. I'll test drive it regardless whether or not it ships with systemd.
-=-
a recent announcement states the project is abandoned




Exe GNU/Lunux (maintained by dzz @refracta)
desktop environment: Trinity (kde3)
browser: firefox 31.6 (esr)
kernel: 3.16
tracking: debian stable (and/or a sid version)
release date: Jun 2015
current release ships systemd: no
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forum: ---- dzz visits refracta.freeforums.org
WHY: nostalgia/novelty seeing the Trinity DE kept alive


grml
desktop environment: fluxbox
browser: firefox 31.2
kernel: 3.16
tracking: debian stable?
release date: Oct 2014 (ongoing git commit activity)
current release ships systemd: no
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forum: ----
WHY: zsh command shell, and many in-house custom utils


Elive
desktop environment: Enlightenment
browser: chromium 37
kernel: 3.16
tracking: debian oldstable
release date: Sept 2015
current release ships systemd: no
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WHY: just for its novelty (odd/novel UI components)


Rebellin
desktop environment: gnome 3.4.2 ,or mate 1.8.1
browser: firefox 35
kernel: 3.16
tracking: debian oldstable?
release date: Feb 2015
current release ships systemd: no
home:
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forum: ----
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soon:
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WHY: enthusiastic, seemingly competent, commercial wannabe... chugging along w/o much of a userbase


Finnix
desktop environment: ----
browser: ----
kernel: 4.0
tracking: debian testing
release date: Jun 2015
current release ships systemd: no
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forum: ----
WHY: past accomplishments in build system and remaster/persistence


recently scratched from my list:
UCS (Univention Corporate Server)
UCS v3.1 does not contain systemd, BUT the 4.0 release contains docker (and systemd)
-=-
livarp
the dev has announced he's abandoning the project
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darry1966
Joined: 01 Apr 2013
#7
Tiny Core Coreplus
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Aleph
Joined: 09 Aug 2013
#8
PcLinuxOS
Posts: 60
eric52
Joined: 03 Nov 2015
#9
Puppy is my favorite, because that's what I teethed on, and now everything else seems strange. Then antiX/MX, and then Bodhi. There are probably others in my stable, but I was blithely unaware of the systemd issue until recently.
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#10
TRIOS linux (OpenRC init + debian jessie +xfce) is very nice.
Site & forums non-english, but english is fully supported in the live and installed O/S

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I hoped to testdrive SlackEX, but it won't boot for me

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eric, can you point me to a shortlist of puppy variants which include the gslapt package manager?
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eric52
Joined: 03 Nov 2015
#11
Hey, skidoo, Slacko is the main Slackware Puppy distro, and there's a brandy new one out. LXPup is a mix with Ubunto Precise. Simplicity is a media-oriented reworking of LX. 01micko is the developer name that comes to mind. slapt-get is not something I've used, but I would bet Slacko has a full command-line stable. gslapt might need to be downloaded. For Puppy, install-able download packages have a .PET extension. There is also a modular .SFS alternative. Puppy comes with a basic graphic Package Manager. Slacko also has SlickPet, which is a varient of the newer QuickPet. At least I think so. I've played with Slacko, and I use Simplicity for Netflix, but I'm more on the Ubuntu side of Puppy.
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eugen-b
Joined: 23 Aug 2015
#12
Manjaro has several OpenRC editions:
- Xfce+Openbox
- Net (OpenRC version)
- Fluxbox
- i3
- LXQt minimal
- KDE minimal
Some of them are a bit difficult to find, but I wont give here links since it is an antiX forum.
I've installed Fluxbox and LXQt minimal not so long ago (a month or so). They run well. They are not as lightweight as antiX, take 200MB at least. I won't claim to understand everything, but they have a good guide on OpenRC in their Wiki.
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#13
eugen, FWIW, I've never been scolded for posting links,
even links to commercial distros (e.g. various firewall distros, like clearOS)


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provides the following links.
Do you have any suggestions for additional Manjaro OpenRC links?


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eugen-b
Joined: 23 Aug 2015
#14
Only, because you are asking, skidoo- And I also always mention antiX and MX when asked for distro suggestions on Manajro forum. The latest torrent links for 15.12 edition (posted them today over there, so don't need to search):
i3 OpenRC:
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LXQt and KDE minimal OpenRC don't have a torrent, the stable version is a bit outdated (artoo a.k.a. udeved the dev has limited ressources):

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But he released a current LXQt minimal from testing branch:

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What is missing on without-systemd.org is that oberon started to create ISOs of both kinds systemd and OpenRC, there are Fluxbox and i3. (He is trying to get Deepin DE run on OpenRC, too. But that doesn't work yet.)
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masinick
Joined: 26 Apr 2008
#15
I use Debian Sid (with systemd) and antiX 15, MX-14 and MX-15 with sysinitd, and I also have versions of antiX with systemd.

All of them work. The freedom of choice to use all of them is great! __{{emoticon}}__