anticapitalista
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#1
This has been driving me nuts for a while.

For some reason (and I don't know why) when antiX-M7 livecd boots with 64MB RAM set, it 'sticks' on the part"configuring xorg display". It finally does manage to do continue booting, but after a minute or so. Now Mepis-beta4 doesn't do this at all. It takes a little while, but not a full minute or so.
Also when installed and set to 64MB RAM, no problems whatsoever, in fact antiX boots (installed) and runs ok with RAM set to 32MB.

Could people test this out for me. Either as a livecd or through vmware/virtualbox, at the boot grub screen type mem=64MB

Also anyone have any ideas on why this happens and how to solve it?

Thanks
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moron
Joined: 12 Sep 2007
#2
anti,
I gave it a couple of tries booting the liveCD in VirtualBox on 64 MB RAM. No Luck! Xorg configuration wasn't the problem (about 5 seconds) but it hung up on"Enabling additional executable binary formats: binfmt-support" for about twenty minutes. After a full 26 minutes from start to"finish" I terminated the process. I'll try again on another machine.
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moron
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#3
I tried to boot the live cd at 64 MB a couple of times on my primary system. After the grub menu the screen went black and the system froze.

On my laptop I get the following message:"Selected item cannot fit in memory."
anticapitalista
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#4
Thanks for testing moron.
It seems that on my box it makes it with 64RAM (just) and it will install (this is with 128MB swap in VirtualBox)
Could you try with other RAM options for me, like 72, 80,96,128 etc.
Thanks.
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moron
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#5
I tried a few liveCD boots in VirtualBox and here are the results:

128 MB.....no problems. Time from start to login screen = 1mins 24secs

96 MB......no problems. Time from start to login screen = 2mins 12secs

80 MB......no problems. Time from start to login screen = 3mins 12secs

72 MB......problems. After 11 minutes the boot hung at Xdisplay
anticapitalista
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#6
Thanks for the feedback moron.

What specs do you have when running in VB?
CPU speed? swap set in VB?
What about installed?
Could you try 32,48,64,72MB from installed antiX.
(again just add mem=32MB in grub)

Thanks
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moron
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#7
VB specs
CPU 2932.246 MHz
Swap 524 MB

I'll do some hd installs over he next few days but work is going to delay the process. I'll post back as soon as I can. Thanks.
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moron
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#8
Anti
I'm writing this from a Vbox install of AntiX_M7_RC1 with 32 MB of RAM. Operation is slooow (reminds me of my first Windows 3x machine (no Windows bashing here just a point of reference)) but it works. From Grub to login screen was 1 min 40 secs. Mouse movement is sometimes a bit jerky and apps take a few seconds to open but everything seems to work if you don't mind waiting. It would be a pain but you could run AntiX M7 on 32 MB if you had to.

Incidentally, I did some tests on a Spartacus install I have on VBox and it ran reasonably well on 32 MB except for Firefox (very slow).

Well, turn-in time here.......more later. Thanks
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moron
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#9
Good Morning Anti.................

Still in VBox installation w/ 524 MB Swap / 2.9 GHz processor (Intel)

RAM=48 MB: No problem loading -- from grub to login 51 secs. All apps loaded fine, a bit slow but usable. Firefox / Iceweasel was the slowest. Not optimum with 48 MB but certainly workable.

RAM=64 MB: No problem loading -- from grub to login 47 secs. Everything, works reasonably well with this amount of RAM. Firefox / Iceweasel, again, is the slowest loading app.

RAM=128 MB: Of course, No problem loading -- from gurb to login 35 secs.
Apps are snappy, including Firefox / Iceweasel.

RAM=256 MB. Again, no problem loading -- from grub to boot 35 secs (same as 128 MB). I really could not see any appreciatable difference in the speed of the apps 256MB vs 128MB. I did not do much multi-tasking, however.

Hope you can use the info and that it's what you were looking for. Thanks.
anticapitalista
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#10
Thanks very much for all the information and testing moron. Much appreciated.
Just as I thought (and designed), antiX is really suited for 128MB RAM boxes (and above). Anything less is a bonus to get it working well, with 64 MB RAM being bareable if you don't do too many tasks and avoid iceweasel/firefox
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moron
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#11
Thank you, Anti -- you're the man -- thanks for all your work! This will, no doubt, save many a older laptop from the scrap heap. Hey, that makes AntiX environmentally friendly. __{{emoticon}}__
anticapitalista
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#12
I have found out what the problem is. __{{emoticon}}__

Too many apps/folders in skel for livecd.

Now I have to think of a way that I can custom fluxbox, rox, conky etc without using skel.

I have just tested on my box and it now boots in Virtualbox with RAM set at 48MB (with a pre-set swap in VB of 128MB RAM), 32MB"might" work with a lot of patience.

Hopefully all will be sorted for the rc2 release.
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moron
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#13
anticapitalista wrote:I have found out what the problem is.
Hey, never doubted that you would!
anticapitalista wrote:Hopefully all will be sorted for the rc2 release.
I have no doubts that it will be. I would help out if I could but this is way over my head. Still, if there's anything I can do . . . . .
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#14
Thanks for the efforts toward functioning with low ram!
anticapitalista
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#15
I just managed to install (in VirtualBox) antiX-M7-rc2 with 64MB RAM and VB swap set at 128MB.
It took about 5 minutes for the livecd to boot to desktop and another 25 mins to install.
Once installed, it runs well.

I also set RAM to 48MB (livecd) and it does get to the desktop in 12 mins! I'm sure it will install, but very slowly and you will need a lot of patience.

I don't think you will have much luck trying to run it (as livecd) on anything less than 48MB RAM, or even 64MB RAM with no swap pre-configured.