Posts: 4,164
rokytnji
Joined: 20 Feb 2009
#16
If you find a way to switch to a non-mobile phone view, please post how to do it.
That option seems to have disappeared as well as chat box with no input from me.
Seems tapatalk rules our forum layout forever I think.


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just because it now rules our hosts sites layout/interface also.  I still have not found edit permissions for personal profile setting changes not being permitted yet either.  This may take days to figure out for me.

Anti replied while I was typing.
Posts: 1,028
SamK
Joined: 21 Aug 2011
#17
anticapitalista wrote:Take it up with Tapatalk. There is nothing we at antiX can do about it. The same happened to Refracta forums.
Something tells me that an organisation targeting mobile phones will immediately implement such a request.
Posts: 148
figosdev
Joined: 29 Jun 2017
#18
oh, this is sad.

i got a notice about this on my (freeforums) forum ages ago. everyone told me it was optional, i didnt believe them.

i archived my forum and deleted it when they moved it over. its a disgusting, useless layout-- youll never find things as easily again, the refracta forum has suffered like this for even longer. theres a EULA on a free software forum. for software no one here wants or will use. i made certain to tell them how i felt about the changes before i left.
Posts: 1,445
skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#19
SamK wrote:
rokytnji wrote:I'm just lost is all I can say.
...
I have not figured out how to mod yet in this new environment.  I have spent a couple of hours exploring this new interface, As usual. Un-informed change trips my pissed off trigger but hell
If you find a way to switch to a non-mobile phone view, please post how to do it.
I searched at addons.mozilla.org and userscripts.org for mention of"tapatalk". Nothing.
Also tried a general websearch"tapatalk custom style"... again, nothing.

Firefox makes it easy (albeit time-consuming) to DIY to customize css on a per-domain basis...
... and if you create a stanza specific to tapatalk.com, it'll be applied to any tapatalk -hosted"group", not just antiX.

to get started:
Tools -} WebDeveloper -} Inspector from the firefox Menu Bar, or (quicker)
right-click -} Inspect Element from the context menu.
You can make adjustments to any DOM element in the right pane; changes are immediately applied.

save your customizations to ~/.mozilla/path_to_myprofile/chrome/userContent.css
(create the"chrome" subdirectory within your profile directory, if it doesn't already exist)
and the custom style will automatically be applied to tapatalk pages after you restart the browser.

I hacked around for about an hour, managed to override the annoying"position:fixed" elements and negate the circular avatar background clipping. So far, I have a passable (to me) topics page styling and (coincidentally) userControlPanel + PM pages styling. I've successfully pared the too-tall index page header (masthead?) but haven't achieved a satisfactorily compact layout within each row (for subforums displayed on index page, topics displayed in subforum pages). These screenshots aren't quite"lifelike"; I used Ctrl+minus to zoomOut the page prior to screengrab, and the forum is applying some wonky auto-resizing to the embedded images. Ignore the"tofu" present in the WIP (due to missing unicode glyphs, returnToTop button, Prev/Next buttons) ~~ the style wants to insert FontAwesome glyphs, but I disallow downloading of remote fonts.

If I find the patience to fix0r the index page layout, I'll post the custom style. If not, I'll just followup by posting, or attaching, the WIP styling info, as-is, to serve as a starter/template.

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Posts: 148
figosdev
Joined: 29 Jun 2017
#20
its the generous use of whitespace (or child-friendly waste of screen real estate) that i find the most irritating.

when im looking for something on the screen, i dont need to have 4x, 5x as many pages to look through. except (swipe, swipe, swipe *hours later* swipe, swipe) on a stupid phone.

i notice theyve also sabotaged our avatars, so we all"look the same" in the thread views. one persons time-saving visual cues is another persons noise, especially all these hipster designers that need to stop forcing everyone to swallow whatever comes out of their... art houses. utterly tired of this mobile nouveau-- if all it takes is css, thats great. (yes, it stands to reason. but reason comes later when theyre screwing up everything.)
Posts: 1,445
skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#21
all it takes is css
I neglected to point out that Tapatalk isn't using multiple conditionally-served styles, based on user-agent. There's no"non-mobile version" ~~ instead it's a single"reactive" (conditional, based on viewport size) styleset. You can see/approximate what it would look like on a phone display, or vertically-oriented tablet, simply by drag-resizing an already loaded desktop browser window. Some elements are even dropped/hidden (e.g."Last post by" name+date+avatar columns on index page) when the page is rendered at a narrow width.

I suspect the now-crippled functionality, and the fact that a user can't even choose a light vs dark style is intentional, is intended to further strengthen Tapatalk's"fremium" business model.
Posts: 21
cyrilus31
Joined: 21 Nov 2016
#22
Ok but having said that, what can we do? anti is not responsible for this situation and I don't think we can do much except finding another forum hosting provider or grinning and bearing it.
Posts: 148
figosdev
Joined: 29 Jun 2017
#23
but having said that, what can we do?
considering that this bothered me enough to shut down my own forum, and that it p***es me off every time i look at it-- its kind of unbelievable to me that skidoo has spelled out (possibly after more than an hours tinkering, if only to find out whats possible) what can be done about it only to have people say"we cant do anything about it." if thats a false summary then its not intended, and great news.

i even have ideas that jibe neatly with the solutions that skidoo mentioned, for example greasemonkey/userscripts can be used if his fix doesnt work in chrome or whatever (im using pale moon) but for once in months, it isnt ENTIRELY hopeless. i wish id given him a chance to fix this before i shut it down, but then the eula (thats unfixable) was the worst part for me. im not subjecting even the hypothetical users of my software to a eula, just to use the support forum.
Posts: 1,445
skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#24
figos i sent ya a pm
Posts: 21
cyrilus31
Joined: 21 Nov 2016
#25
figosdev wrote:
but having said that, what can we do?
considering that this bothered me enough to shut down my own forum, and that it p***es me off every time i look at it-- its kind of unbelievable to me that skidoo has spelled out (possibly after more than an hours tinkering, if only to find out whats possible) what can be done about it only to have people say"we cant do anything about it." if thats a false summary then its not intended, and great news.

i even have ideas that jibe neatly with the solutions that skidoo mentioned, for example greasemonkey/userscripts can be used if his fix doesnt work in chrome or whatever (im using pale moon) but for once in months, it isnt ENTIRELY hopeless. i wish id given him a chance to fix this before i shut it down, but then the eula (thats unfixable) was the worst part for me. im not subjecting even the hypothetical users of my software to a eula, just to use the support forum.
Sorry but english is not my native language so I often miss things and particularly I have difficulty in discerning irony.

Playing with css is not my cup of tea when I simply want to change avatar or make little changes like that....
Posts: 148
figosdev
Joined: 29 Jun 2017
#26
no worries, cyrilus31. at best, theyve inconvenienced us.

the solution wouldnt be for you to fiddle with css, ideally it would be something we could add to our web browsers, since theres really no chance that tapatalk is going to make their site less terrible-- they clearly did this intentionally, because"branding" and everyones favourite: control.

it was foolish for free forums to sell out to them, though they obviously didnt have a better idea. its not that they dont care about their customers-- not that anyone paying attention will find it easy to tell they ever did now. either way, they sold out. im guessing they didnt have enough money not to, and they thought this would have to be"good enough." too bad.
Posts: 24
wavrydr
Joined: 04 Sep 2017
#27
ile wrote: hello SamK and everyone, those nibbled around the edges
For how long will the automatic redirect from old antix url forum to the new
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url was""
linktext was""
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? Permanent ? 
That is a curve to throw at wavrydr shortly after putting up the Nice facebook pages.
search results are rather elongated here.  one thing about the email notification settings is that a few members might get a unexpected email not to say Come Look at the Great new forum Arrangement, but they will come look to change that setting.

return. it allows add:
hello  SamK  
yo [sneakerless]dolphin_oracle. BitJam cannot hear you screaming"I can't Breathe."  
Maybe the last of the shouts could get published.  The final shouts not encountered by us shoutees, before the change.  For historical value esp. if it includes a few searches. 
It's all good I'll just post the new forum link on the Facebook page and in the Facebook group. Guess I might as well install the Tapatalk app on my phone too lol
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Posts: 24
wavrydr
Joined: 04 Sep 2017
#28
I installed the tapatalk app on my phone and I didn't llike it. I'll just stick to visiting the forum with my browser instead. Also, how is it that the MX Linux crew have their forum integrated within their website? It's in the main dropdown menu on their site. Could that possibly be done on the main antiX site too?
Posts: 1,445
skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#29
MX serves their forum from a self-hosted server. Yah, sure, antiX could do the same.
freeforums (now Tapatalk) doesn't provide db backups to freehosted accounts, though.

FWIW, in case someone steps up to provide a hosting server...
I have an old phpbb scraper script that I used to snag a copy of the salineOS forum before it went offline. I could probably mod it to scrape much of the pre-existing (current) antiX forum content.

regarding"within their website":
A registered antixlinux.com domain exists. Even while the forum is not self-hosted, a DNS entry, e.g. happyjoyforum.antixlinux.com, could be setup ~~  302redirect'ing to www.tapatippytalk.com/groups/antix
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Posts: 24
wavrydr
Joined: 04 Sep 2017
#30
skidoo wrote:
13 Sep 2017, 02:25
MX serves their forum from a self-hosted server. Yah, sure, antiX could do the same.
freeforums (now Tapatalk) doesn't provide db backups to freehosted accounts, though.

FWIW, in case someone steps up to provide a hosting server...
I have an old phpbb scraper script that I used to snag a copy of the salineOS forum before it went offline. I could probably mod it to scrape much of the pre-existing (current) antiX forum content.
Ahh I see. Makes sense. Thanks for the info! That would be cool if someone had a server to host this forum. That script sounds very handy and useful as it could literally prevent from having to start a new forum from scratch if and when a hosting server is ever provided.