Yeah, when's the xforms revision of freeforums.org barreling through? I want to post when things are REALLY strung out on some shadow DOM witchery; as it is I merely get strangely constricted subject lines.
Synaptic shows some tendencies to work; lately it won't cough up a changelog for a package, nevermind a description or citation index, or a screenshot.
An alternative might have been a software store license via Ubuntu or Black Lab Linux, but obviously decisions have to be made for things to ship.
Is it a matter of super-inefficient polling (that is, bandwidth charges a go-go) in the case of changelogs and screenshots, or something else that cuts those out?
Efficiency in compiling the particular distro to leave out debian/changelog in a .deb or likewise trouble to extract it from incremental updates that ignore that file unless source is requested?
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386solardrainPosts: 14
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#2
Each respository added to sources.list on your system adds per-transaction overhead (bandwidth, time to download each update, cache storage overhead...)
therefore many distros, including antix, set a"sensible default" of NOT enabling source repositor(ies).
Most users will never notice, and those who do are free to add (a one-time 5 second operation) the extra repositories.
One-time? No, after suffering the extra delay imposed by unnecessarily retrieving extra info,
you'll learn to toggle the lines for various extra repos back to disabled when not actually, immediately, needed during day-to-day update/refresh/reload operations.
Synaptic toolbar Preferences}}Sources tab exposes the list of repositories known by your system.
Removing # char from beginning of a line (er, I think a checkbox is provided) will change a line entry from disabled to enabled.
Visit / etc / apt and peruse the contents if you're inclined to edit the config files manually, vs via synaptic.
Personally, I prefer to visit
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url was:"https://packages.debian.org"
linktext was:"https://packages.debian.org"
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and use the online search.
Type in the name of a given package. The details page provides links to download source tarball, to read changelog, to visit author/project homepage (and a lot more details).
Had you written"ala" ubuntu, or"vis ubuntu or..."
Maybe I'm missing the your exact shade of meaning here.
appstream (and packagekit and friends), upon which Ubuntu's, mint's, BlackFab's, etc"store" GUIs are built ~~ it doesn't require obtaining a"license".
Last I checked, none of those softwareStore apps"cleaned up after themselves".
Every blessed"app screenshot" you've ever viewed winds up eternally cached on your system, adding bloat.
Unless you know to do so, or find a tool like bleachbit to perform periodic cleanup... real quick like, you'll have 100--200MB (or more!) cached crap on your system.
If you're running live persistence, or"toram" boot option, this bloat is REALLY unwelcome. Hello swapfile.
For a comparatively small distro (userbase-sizewise), your"via Ubuntu" suggestion
is ALMOST reasonable, IMO. Otherwise the"store" ecosystem winds up having more apps to be reviewed than peeps reviewing 'em.
But...
bser reviews in those"software stores" generally SUCK.
People too lazy to RTFM post inaccurate/uninformed tripe along the lines of"IT DON'T HARDLY WORK NONE".
Most"reviewers" who like a given application, they've learned to be lazy (by clicking"like" buttuns day in, day out)
and they post non-helpful, non-insightful tripe like"ME GUSTO MUCHO 11101!"
Follow the herd, Luke.
If a distro were to go the"via Ubuntu" route, using the"app store" (note: screenshots, user reviews, etc are part of the appstream (data)store )
many of the"accurate" (works, does not work, has a glitch) user reviews would, in the context of a different O/S, become inaccurate. Hello frustration.
Ummm
unicode Version 8, and lima beans... with alfredo sauce. Witches love alfredo sauce.
Would need to enable"source" repository in your sources.list to have those available.Is it a matter of ... in the case of changelogs and screenshots, or something else that cuts those out?
Each respository added to sources.list on your system adds per-transaction overhead (bandwidth, time to download each update, cache storage overhead...)
therefore many distros, including antix, set a"sensible default" of NOT enabling source repositor(ies).
Most users will never notice, and those who do are free to add (a one-time 5 second operation) the extra repositories.
One-time? No, after suffering the extra delay imposed by unnecessarily retrieving extra info,
you'll learn to toggle the lines for various extra repos back to disabled when not actually, immediately, needed during day-to-day update/refresh/reload operations.
Synaptic toolbar Preferences}}Sources tab exposes the list of repositories known by your system.
Removing # char from beginning of a line (er, I think a checkbox is provided) will change a line entry from disabled to enabled.
Visit / etc / apt and peruse the contents if you're inclined to edit the config files manually, vs via synaptic.
Personally, I prefer to visit
========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"https://packages.debian.org"
linktext was:"https://packages.debian.org"
====================================
and use the online search.
Type in the name of a given package. The details page provides links to download source tarball, to read changelog, to visit author/project homepage (and a lot more details).
You wrote"via" ubuntu or...An alternative might have been a software store license via Ubuntu or Black Lab Linux
Had you written"ala" ubuntu, or"vis ubuntu or..."
Maybe I'm missing the your exact shade of meaning here.
appstream (and packagekit and friends), upon which Ubuntu's, mint's, BlackFab's, etc"store" GUIs are built ~~ it doesn't require obtaining a"license".
Last I checked, none of those softwareStore apps"cleaned up after themselves".
Every blessed"app screenshot" you've ever viewed winds up eternally cached on your system, adding bloat.
Unless you know to do so, or find a tool like bleachbit to perform periodic cleanup... real quick like, you'll have 100--200MB (or more!) cached crap on your system.
If you're running live persistence, or"toram" boot option, this bloat is REALLY unwelcome. Hello swapfile.
For a comparatively small distro (userbase-sizewise), your"via Ubuntu" suggestion
is ALMOST reasonable, IMO. Otherwise the"store" ecosystem winds up having more apps to be reviewed than peeps reviewing 'em.
But...
bser reviews in those"software stores" generally SUCK.
People too lazy to RTFM post inaccurate/uninformed tripe along the lines of"IT DON'T HARDLY WORK NONE".
Most"reviewers" who like a given application, they've learned to be lazy (by clicking"like" buttuns day in, day out)
and they post non-helpful, non-insightful tripe like"ME GUSTO MUCHO 11101!"
Follow the herd, Luke.
If a distro were to go the"via Ubuntu" route, using the"app store" (note: screenshots, user reviews, etc are part of the appstream (data)store )
many of the"accurate" (works, does not work, has a glitch) user reviews would, in the context of a different O/S, become inaccurate. Hello frustration.
???when's the xforms revision of freeforums.org barreling through?
I want to post when things are REALLY strung out on some shadow DOM witchery; as it is I merely get strangely constricted subject lines.
Ummm
unicode Version 8, and lima beans... with alfredo sauce. Witches love alfredo sauce.
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386solardrainPosts: 14
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#3
>Would need to enable"source" repository
I have 'em; no spline.de (unstable) ones, but the others...and still no screenshots, etc. Chalking it up to IPv6...or not.
Synaptic is cheering CANNOT AUTHENTICATE PACKAGE for many things while I'm at this, so perhaps that's related.
Agreed
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url was:"https://packages.debian.org"
linktext was:"https://packages.debian.org"
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is a pleasant way to get screenshots and changelogs (...but I want the beautiful corpse of a JSON model of that catalog in my Firefox crashlog! A little to-do, I suppose.)
>"via" Ubuntu
I had thought that [what turn out to be] appstream and friends were as proprietary as their PKI but licensable, but it's just the paid keys (fine) and tendency to occupy memory and disk after free (antithetical to the distro and the older machines compatibility,) then. Thanks. I'll just do the web thing and send a pull request at Debian then...though, since JSON models of repo databases was a Falcor_One (see Netflix at github) demo, it's probably loafing there already somewhere.
>Most"reviewers"...
Will be sure to batterise and captcha that.
>>xforms revision of freeforums.org
>??? unicode version 8, and lima beans... with alfredo sauce.
I was pondering the subject line's unheralded limit, and that it didn't come up to standard for a 2008 web app (with rich Corinthian leather.) It's not 2018, but surely the freeforums thing could be juiced up to make iceweasel show off a bit? It's been a busy year for system security and php is a perennial laggard...
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...and that was Java 2 and 2001. See, I'm John Bell, a time traveler from...
I have 'em; no spline.de (unstable) ones, but the others...and still no screenshots, etc. Chalking it up to IPv6...or not.
Synaptic is cheering CANNOT AUTHENTICATE PACKAGE for many things while I'm at this, so perhaps that's related.
Agreed
========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"https://packages.debian.org"
linktext was:"https://packages.debian.org"
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is a pleasant way to get screenshots and changelogs (...but I want the beautiful corpse of a JSON model of that catalog in my Firefox crashlog! A little to-do, I suppose.)
>"via" Ubuntu
I had thought that [what turn out to be] appstream and friends were as proprietary as their PKI but licensable, but it's just the paid keys (fine) and tendency to occupy memory and disk after free (antithetical to the distro and the older machines compatibility,) then. Thanks. I'll just do the web thing and send a pull request at Debian then...though, since JSON models of repo databases was a Falcor_One (see Netflix at github) demo, it's probably loafing there already somewhere.
>Most"reviewers"...
Will be sure to batterise and captcha that.
>>xforms revision of freeforums.org
>??? unicode version 8, and lima beans... with alfredo sauce.
I was pondering the subject line's unheralded limit, and that it didn't come up to standard for a 2008 web app (with rich Corinthian leather.) It's not 2018, but surely the freeforums thing could be juiced up to make iceweasel show off a bit? It's been a busy year for system security and php is a perennial laggard...
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url was:"http://freeforums.sourceforge.net/"
linktext was:"http://freeforums.sourceforge.net/"
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...and that was Java 2 and 2001. See, I'm John Bell, a time traveler from...
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#4
What is the AppStream software?
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online versions of various SoftwareCenters (screenshots + user reviews)
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url was:"https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/"
linktext was:"https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/"
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url was:"http://community.linuxmint.com/software/browse"
linktext was:"http://community.linuxmint.com/software/browse"
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url was:"http://www.appnr.com/"
linktext was:"http://www.appnr.com/"
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^--- I don't recommend using"apturl", nor adding PPAs as ancillary antiX repos.
If you install"gdebi", you can right-click download whatever *.deb
then inspect the .deb contents in gdebi (it will report any package dependency conflicts) without immediately commiting to performing an install.
(hint: if any of the packaged files look like libwhatever-ubuntu-X.yz, I would avoid installing. Find a non-ubuntu .deb elsewhere or DYI build from source.)
gtk-apps.org
qt-aps.org
softpedia.com
I don't blindly install executables from these sites, but visit them semi-regularly
(looking at screenshots, changelog highlights, links to an author's/project's homesite)
========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distributions/AppStream/Software/"
linktext was:"http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Distrib ... /Software/"
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online versions of various SoftwareCenters (screenshots + user reviews)
========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/"
linktext was:"https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/"
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========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"http://community.linuxmint.com/software/browse"
linktext was:"http://community.linuxmint.com/software/browse"
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========= SCRAPER REMOVED AN EMBEDDED LINK HERE ===========
url was:"http://www.appnr.com/"
linktext was:"http://www.appnr.com/"
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^--- I don't recommend using"apturl", nor adding PPAs as ancillary antiX repos.
If you install"gdebi", you can right-click download whatever *.deb
then inspect the .deb contents in gdebi (it will report any package dependency conflicts) without immediately commiting to performing an install.
(hint: if any of the packaged files look like libwhatever-ubuntu-X.yz, I would avoid installing. Find a non-ubuntu .deb elsewhere or DYI build from source.)
gtk-apps.org
qt-aps.org
softpedia.com
I don't blindly install executables from these sites, but visit them semi-regularly
(looking at screenshots, changelog highlights, links to an author's/project's homesite)
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#5
aha, appstream licence KEY. Yeah, if you're putting an independent front-end on someone's existing datastore and sucking bandwidth
(syncing your local xapian db to their master, or using an API to enable your site visitors to retrieve data)
(syncing your local xapian db to their master, or using an API to enable your site visitors to retrieve data)
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#6
Java. 2001. Swing toolkit. Yeah.
freeforums.org is heavily"freemium". Upgrading to a paid hosting account unlocks a lot of extra functionality/customization.
Self-hosted, with a current phpBB version (or other forum platform)(no, please, not jOoMLa! not DrupyPal!) would be even better.
I'm a fan of the question2answer.org platform (available on github) and the v1.x VanillaForums
freeforums.org is heavily"freemium". Upgrading to a paid hosting account unlocks a lot of extra functionality/customization.
Self-hosted, with a current phpBB version (or other forum platform)(no, please, not jOoMLa! not DrupyPal!) would be even better.
I'm a fan of the question2answer.org platform (available on github) and the v1.x VanillaForums
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skidooPosts: 1,445
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#7
related, from bookmarks:
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url was:"https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/200/appstream-limba-xdgapp-past-present-and-future/"
linktext was:"https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/me ... nd-future/"
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url was:"https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/meeting/200/appstream-limba-xdgapp-past-present-and-future/"
linktext was:"https://summit.debconf.org/debconf15/me ... nd-future/"
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386solardrainPosts: 14
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#8
Thanks for all the helpful notes. It's blossoming into lovely coverage. I super hope I'm not blowing up your pager or schedule here.
qt-apps.org is a neat antidote to having all-surveying apps and one-page websites (that fall on their faces when it comes to releasing RAM or diversity.)
It has screenshots and changelogs, pointers to programmer git repos, y'all!
I am also pondering why there's an aminet.net (to arm-bar a scope for these varied sources) whereas OilChange.com and TuCows seem to have remained killed despite the stoddering of the Apple Store (and Intel App Store, probably one by AMD and an ARM marketing guild or seven, not to discount WeChat far too early.)
Competing modailties if not memes seem to include
qt-apps.org is a neat antidote to having all-surveying apps and one-page websites (that fall on their faces when it comes to releasing RAM or diversity.)
It has screenshots and changelogs, pointers to programmer git repos, y'all!
I am also pondering why there's an aminet.net (to arm-bar a scope for these varied sources) whereas OilChange.com and TuCows seem to have remained killed despite the stoddering of the Apple Store (and Intel App Store, probably one by AMD and an ARM marketing guild or seven, not to discount WeChat far too early.)
Competing modailties if not memes seem to include
- Extensions (Firefox, Chrome, Opera, whatever schools use,
Steam
Google Play
DBAs gone sour on the repository direction, the compliance direction, the ad direction, or some revision to a database
Amazon Fire
Is there a McAffee Store? Firewalls that like to get attention opening up shop, is where I'd inventory here.
Ouya? That.
Daring Fireball and whatever pewdiepie reviews. Those things may or not belong together as a matter of taste.