Hello. There is a subforum here for users who are using the sid repos. So I am wondering ... can I use the repos that are on the antixfce iso with the lysistrata distro? It just seems to work a little better for me. Thanks.
john
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You should be able too.
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That is right John.
I think the main difference is that the antiX-xfce-alpha1.iso is more up to date in its upgrades than antiX- Lysistrata. Also antiX-xfce has the Mepis repos commented out.
If you are using Lysistrata, before you change the repos, do this
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade (or apt-get upgrade)
This will upgrade all the apps, including some from Mepis.
Some will be held back (if some are to be un-installed, let me know)
Afterwards, try again
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade (or upgrade)
Then change the sources list, which basically removes the mepis repo.
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
If there are problems, try
apt-get update
aptitude dist-upgrade
If things look a bit worrying, just post back for help.
I think the main difference is that the antiX-xfce-alpha1.iso is more up to date in its upgrades than antiX- Lysistrata. Also antiX-xfce has the Mepis repos commented out.
If you are using Lysistrata, before you change the repos, do this
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade (or apt-get upgrade)
This will upgrade all the apps, including some from Mepis.
Some will be held back (if some are to be un-installed, let me know)
Afterwards, try again
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade (or upgrade)
Then change the sources list, which basically removes the mepis repo.
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
If there are problems, try
apt-get update
aptitude dist-upgrade
If things look a bit worrying, just post back for help.
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Thanks. I set up a second drive on my test box - tinyflux is on hda. I need your help here:
I like lysistrata because it just plain works on all of my computers (this cannot be said of other distros I have tried recently). For the most part, I like your selection of apps but there are a few I would change (these are the apps I would use instead of some of the installed ones): gthumb, mrxvt, pcmanfm, medit. There are also some apps I want to install that aren't included in your distro; for example, xdvdshrink and some others that for some reason I forgot. I have had trouble installing them, but once I turned off the mepis repos, things got better. I have also had trouble installing some apps from source (such as wbar) and the current version of gmusicbrowser (deb package) complains about an outdated dependency (glib maybe?). So I don't know what to do:
1. Install lysistrata and then change repos
2. Install antixfce and customize (tried that but got frustrated with the amount of work)
3. Other ideas?
Anyway, I have tried too many distros lately to get ideas for customizing antix, no matter which option I choose, that I'm getting overloaded. Everyone's thoughts and input are appreciated. Thanks.
john
I like lysistrata because it just plain works on all of my computers (this cannot be said of other distros I have tried recently). For the most part, I like your selection of apps but there are a few I would change (these are the apps I would use instead of some of the installed ones): gthumb, mrxvt, pcmanfm, medit. There are also some apps I want to install that aren't included in your distro; for example, xdvdshrink and some others that for some reason I forgot. I have had trouble installing them, but once I turned off the mepis repos, things got better. I have also had trouble installing some apps from source (such as wbar) and the current version of gmusicbrowser (deb package) complains about an outdated dependency (glib maybe?). So I don't know what to do:
1. Install lysistrata and then change repos
2. Install antixfce and customize (tried that but got frustrated with the amount of work)
3. Other ideas?
Anyway, I have tried too many distros lately to get ideas for customizing antix, no matter which option I choose, that I'm getting overloaded. Everyone's thoughts and input are appreciated. Thanks.
john
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John,
If you are getting overloaded, walk away from the PC, take a walk, and then come back and YOU decide what you want to do.
You seem to be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of routes 1 and 2. Which one is better will depend on how you wish to proceed ie route 1 gives a lot of apps, but, by default, is closely tied to Mepis 7 and Debian testing and stable (but with Mepis repos dominating), which means that installing outside of this, may lead to dependency problems.
The other route gives you more flexibility, but potentially more headaches too.
So, this is what I would do, in fact what I have running as my main box. It is not 'mission critical' so keep that in mind.
Use the debian sid repos, but before you do so, do what I suggested in the post above. There is more flexibility in debian sid, less dependency hassle, but more 'instability' (though with antiX I have yet to experience any serious problems). You move away from the Mepis repos, but that isn't a bad thing if stability is not your number one priority and installing apps outside Mepis is.
Hope this has helped.
If you are getting overloaded, walk away from the PC, take a walk, and then come back and YOU decide what you want to do.
You seem to be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses of routes 1 and 2. Which one is better will depend on how you wish to proceed ie route 1 gives a lot of apps, but, by default, is closely tied to Mepis 7 and Debian testing and stable (but with Mepis repos dominating), which means that installing outside of this, may lead to dependency problems.
The other route gives you more flexibility, but potentially more headaches too.
So, this is what I would do, in fact what I have running as my main box. It is not 'mission critical' so keep that in mind.
Use the debian sid repos, but before you do so, do what I suggested in the post above. There is more flexibility in debian sid, less dependency hassle, but more 'instability' (though with antiX I have yet to experience any serious problems). You move away from the Mepis repos, but that isn't a bad thing if stability is not your number one priority and installing apps outside Mepis is.
Hope this has helped.
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Even with the Sid distro in there, upgrades"preferred" the Mepis version so I had dependency issues. Once I commented out the Mepis distros, all of the dependency problems suddenly went away.
Don
Anti:anticapitalista wrote:
Use the debian sid repos, but before you do so, do what I suggested in the post above. There is more flexibility in debian sid, less dependency hassle, but more 'instability' (though with antiX I have yet to experience any serious problems). You move away from the Mepis repos, but that isn't a bad thing if stability is not your number one priority and installing apps outside Mepis is.
Hope this has helped.
Even with the Sid distro in there, upgrades"preferred" the Mepis version so I had dependency issues. Once I commented out the Mepis distros, all of the dependency problems suddenly went away.
Don
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Same here. What dieselbenz said.
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You're right dieselbenz.
The more you move away from the Mepis 'Etch" then the Mepis repos are no longer needed.(except for upgrades in the kernel and Mepis utilities)
The more you move away from the Mepis 'Etch" then the Mepis repos are no longer needed.(except for upgrades in the kernel and Mepis utilities)
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I noticed that, too. For example, when I turned them off, I was able to install xdvdshrink and either mrxvt or medit (I can't remember which one gave me problems).
Well, I installed lysistrata and I did an upgrade. This was a good idea since sources.list was upgraded also. The first the I did was install gmusicbrowser - no dependency problems! (I haven't tried xdvdshrink or installing wbar from source, but I can always shut off the mepis repo if needed.)
I think that was the best choice. In fact, I am busy working on a theme since I've been regenerated. I am still working on a few things, so I'll call storm beta.
Thanks.
john
Well, I installed lysistrata and I did an upgrade. This was a good idea since sources.list was upgraded also. The first the I did was install gmusicbrowser - no dependency problems! (I haven't tried xdvdshrink or installing wbar from source, but I can always shut off the mepis repo if needed.)
I think that was the best choice. In fact, I am busy working on a theme since I've been regenerated. I am still working on a few things, so I'll call storm beta.
Thanks.
john
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Just a point about the sources.list.
If you agree to it being changed, you lose the testing part from the debian repos and the one(s) from debian-multimedia.
If you agree to it being changed, you lose the testing part from the debian repos and the one(s) from debian-multimedia.
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If the above is correct, how would I find and add the individual changes to the utilities and kernel?
How would I upgrade changes in the kernel and Mepis utilities (and leave everything else under sid alone)? I suppose enable the Mepis repo...then do a"apt-get dist-upgrade"...check for changes in the kernel and utilities...say no to the overall upgrade...and then find the kernel and utilities changes and upgrade them individually?The more you move away from the Mepis 'Etch" then the Mepis repos are no longer needed.(except for upgrades in the kernel and Mepis utilities)
If the above is correct, how would I find and add the individual changes to the utilities and kernel?
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impuwat,
Do an apt-get dist-upgrade and accept the changes.
While it is downloading the deb files, you'll see where they are coming from. I would accept the Mepis debs (unless serious apps are to be deleted), and check on whether to accept the new defaults or accept the Mepis changes. 99% of the time accept the changes.
Don't accept them when it is to do with the sources list.
A safer option is to do
apt-get -d dist-upgrade
This will download all the upgraded apps, but not install them.
another option is
apt-get -s dist-upgrade
which simulates the upgrade only.
Do an apt-get dist-upgrade and accept the changes.
While it is downloading the deb files, you'll see where they are coming from. I would accept the Mepis debs (unless serious apps are to be deleted), and check on whether to accept the new defaults or accept the Mepis changes. 99% of the time accept the changes.
Don't accept them when it is to do with the sources list.
A safer option is to do
apt-get -d dist-upgrade
This will download all the upgraded apps, but not install them.
another option is
apt-get -s dist-upgrade
which simulates the upgrade only.
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Currently I just have the three sid repos enabled. If I enable the Mepis repo in addition to the other three, and"apt-get dist-upgrade", I get the following:
Seems like a lot of stuff. I just did an"apt-get update" the other day under sid and didn't have anything new. Is the above worth it for a few updates to Mepis and/or how bad will it mess with sid?The following NEW packages will be installed:
gimp-python libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libcdio7 libdirectfb-extra
libntfs-3g16 libpam-gnome-keyring libpoppler-glib2 libpoppler2 libsensors4
libsplashy1
The following packages will be upgraded:
abiword abiword-common aptitude base-files base-passwd bsdmainutils bsdutils
conky console-data coreutils cpp-4.2 cupsys cupsys-common dbus dbus-x11
debhelper debianutils dictionaries-common dillo dpkg dpkg-dev feh ffmpeg
findutils fontconfig fontconfig-config fuse-utils gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base
gdk-imlib11 ghostscript ghostscript-x giblib1 gimp gimp-data gimp-gnomevfs
gksu gnome-keyring gnumeric gnumeric-common groff-base gs-common gs-esp
gstreamer0.10-alsa gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good
gstreamer0.10-x gtk2-engines-pixbuf hal htdig icewm icewm-common imlib-base
imlib11 initramfs-tools ivman klibc-utils libaa1 libaudio2 libavahi-client3
libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-compat-libdnssd1
libavahi-glib1 libavahi-qt3-1 libavcodeccvs51 libavutilcvs49 libbluetooth2
libc6 libcaca0 libcucul0 libcupsimage2 libcupsys2 libcwidget0 libdbus-1-3
libenchant1c2a libffi4 libfontconfig1 libfuse2 libgail-common libgail18
libgcc1 libgimp2.0 libglib2.0-0 libgmime-2.0-2 libgnome-keyring0 libgnutls13
libgoffice-0-5 libgoffice-0-5-common libgomp1 libgphoto2-2 libgphoto2-port0
libgs8 libgsf-1-114 libgsf-1-common libgsf-gnome-1-114
libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0 libgstreamer0.10-0 libgtk2.0-0
libgtk2.0-common libhal-storage1 libhal1 libicu36 libieee1284-3 libimlib2
libjasper1 libklibc libltdl3 libncurses5 libncursesw5 libopencdk10
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lm-sensors locales man-db manpages mepis-config modconf mount mpd
ncurses-base ncurses-bin ndiswrapper-common ndiswrapper-utils-1.9 net-tools
ntfs-3g openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core
openoffice.org-style-andromeda openoffice.org-style-crystal
openoffice.org-writer openssh-client os-prober pidgin-data pppoeconf psmisc
pstoedit python-glade2 python-gobject python-gtk2 python-uno scrollkeeper
sed streamripper sudo ttf-opensymbol tzdata ucf unrar usbutils uswsusp
util-linux vbetool wpasupplicant x11-common x11-xserver-utils xbase-clients
xinit xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all
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That seems ok to me, if you use the sid repos.
What happens if you comment out the Mepis repos, and then
apt-get update
ap-get dist-upgrade
I guess it is basically the same.
What happens if you comment out the Mepis repos, and then
apt-get update
ap-get dist-upgrade
I guess it is basically the same.