Posts: 12
bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#1
Firstly: I do test a lot of distro's trying to find the (according to me) best distro around.
I mean: I do know something about Linux.

Secondly: this is/was the first time I installed AntiX.

Installing was no problem.
That at itself was okay.
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Than the real thingy:
When installing AntiX M12 Test 2, it never asks for your keyboard, nor can you select it.

I know, you'll say that there is the"F2", but that is really not enough to select what one needs.

For instance: when one selects"English", you'll also get a"qwerty" keyboard.
Also: when I select"Dutch", I'll also get a"qwerty" keyboard.

In my case: I always select"English" (because I always use an English environment for all my systems), but I use (on different computers) both a"be-latin1" and a"fr-latin1" keyboard. Which are 2 different"Azerty" keyboards. (And I am Flemish (Dutch)).

You also might say that this is not a problem once one logs in.
But it is.
You need to log in with a keyboard that is not your own (and it is not really that simple with a name and password I normally use because 7 letters are on different keys and 1 is not even accessible (that is the"ë").

I surely would like to see that the developers would have a brainstorm about that.

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By the way: the best boot options came with earlier Ubuntu's.
Why that they do not use it anymore? I cannot imagine.
anticapitalista
Posts: 5,955
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Joined: 11 Sep 2007
#2
Good points.

You should be able to use a lang= cheat when running live that carries over.
eg
lang=fr_BE gives a be2-latin1 keyboard with French environment and French menus.

lang=nl_BE gives a be2-latin1 keyboard with Dutch environment and Dutch menus.

You can also set specific ones eg

lang=en kbd=fr to get English environment (and menu) with a French keyboard.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#3
Thank you for the reply, but I guess you understood me wrong.

1. I ALWAYS use an English environment.
2. I have computers with a different (Azerty) layout: be and fr.

If I would use the"lang" cheat-codes you mentioned, it would not change a thing for my problem, because I ALWAYS use a different"lang" than the keyboard I use..

Do you remember the early (till 10.10, I think) Ubuntu installers?

When you booted the CD, one could (do not remember which"F" keys no more), let us say:
"F2"=language;"F3"=keyboard;"F4"=screen...

That's what I'm still looking for on ANY distro, because that was the very best way to go when producing a distro for international use.

The"lang" is not always the same as the"keyboard".

Not in my case anyway.

Keep it in mind..


That was the best installer situation ever; one could choose those BEFORE really booting into the system.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#4
If it would ever be that you would not understand what I mean:

Following your cheat-codes, I would end up with:

1. lang=nl_BE >> a Dutch (Flemish) environment with a Belgian keyboard.
2. lang=fr_BE >> gives the same keyboard but in a French environment.

What I need, is an English environment with a Belgian keyboard (and for one computer a French keyboard).

So the cheat-code"lang=" does not solve my problem.
Never did. Never does.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#5
Sorry!

I missed this:

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lang=en kbd=fr to get English environment (and menu) with a French keyboard
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I think that is just what I needed.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#6
Thanks!
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#7
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways.

One can only interpret the past.

The future is for those who"think" and"evolve".
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#8
As Arlo Guthrie told:

What's a"light" without a"dark" to stick it in?
anticapitalista
Posts: 5,955
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Joined: 11 Sep 2007
#9
Does it work ok?

You can also set your Debian mirror to the closest to you (if available).

English language, French keyboard while in Belguim

lang=en kbd=fr mirror=be tz=Europe/Brussels
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#10
I can really not tell you at the moment.

I've been working 4 computers at the same time for about 42 ours and I've been awake nome for about 56 hours.

I'll try it somewhere tomorrow.

But I'm quiet convinced that it will be okay.

I also noted your last post.

This might work like almost"out of the box".

Many thanks.

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This is the very nicest thing about the Linux community: the way people help one another.

You cannot beat that.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#11
No, it did not work.

I used the"F2" key to select the language English-UK

wrote the string lang= en kbd=be mirror=be tz=europe/brussels

and the installer loaded the English UK keyboard - mentioning that it did not know a be keyboard.

I'll try it again in a sec changing

kbd=be

to

kbd=be-lantin1
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#12
No.

Changing to

kbd=be-lantin1

did load the keyboard; at least it recognised it, but after loading kbd=be-latin1, it also loaded

"console keyboard=UK"

are something likewise.

By the way:
writing the option string is also a drag, because again: you have to do that with a wrong keyboard.

Not everyone uses a usa-keyboard, but Americans tent to forget that.
As if they are the only people in the world.

There REALLY should be an option to change the keyboard BEFORE one has to write any options.

Writing"options" with the wrong keyboard is really NOT an option.
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lagopus
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
#13
I use french settings (lang and keyboard)
Not everyone uses a usa-keyboard, but Americans tent to forget that.
As if they are the only people in the world.
Relax __{{emoticon}}__

It can be annoying to fallback to a qwerty keyboard when something goes wrong, specially when you have to enter your password with a 'm' character, or to enter a path with '/' ....

My solution: take with you in your wallet a sketch of a qwerty keyboard (credit car size)

You have to get a default keyboard anyway, still better than punch cards or key switches...
I would not blame American people, nor IBM, for that

And antiX has made great progress in internationalisation.

Bonne soirée
anticapitalista
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Joined: 11 Sep 2007
#14
bert07,

you used the wrong options, or you made a typo error in the post. Note the capitals. For your keyboard choose either fr or nl.

lang=en kbd=fr mirror=be tz=Europe/Brussels

This should also work, though I haven't tried it to give you fr and nl keyboard with an Alt Shift toggle

lang=en kbd=fr,nl mirror=be tz=Europe/Brussels

BTW: Those options are for running live. If you have already installed, then the cheats won't work. Instead you will have to configure using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration or do so manually.
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bert07
Joined: 06 Mar 2012
#15
The kbd=nl is again a wrong keyboard.

Dutch people use a qwerty keyboard.
Belgian people use a azerty keyboard.

The French keyboard (although also a azerty keyboard) differs from the Belgian keyboard.

The kbd=be does not exist (not in en.hlp)

So, we Belgians have to wait a little until they discovered us somewhere in a land: far, far away.
Big Grin.






* I made a typo over here at the forum, not login into the system.