package dependencies

zpimp · posted: 2014-10-29 19:59

just started with antix (and linux in general)

when trying to install darkplaces (quake 1 updated game engine) it installs other packages too
it says it needs some libs but it upgrades libreoffice and other stuff

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root@antix1:/home/demo# apt-cache depends darkplaces
darkplaces
  Depends: libc6
  Depends: libcurl3-gnutls
  Depends: libfreetype6
  Depends: libjpeg62-turbo
  Depends: libmodplug1
  Depends: libode1
  Depends: libogg0
  Depends: libpng12-0
  Depends: libsdl1.2debian
  Depends: libtheora0
  Depends: libvorbis0a
  Depends: libvorbisenc2
  Depends: libvorbisfile3
  Depends: libx11-6
  Depends: zlib1g

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root@antix1:/home/demo# apt-get install darkplaces
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1
  coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 dillo libcupsfilters1 libfontembed1
  libgd3 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgltf-0.0-0 libgphoto2-6
  libimlib2 libjasper1 libjpeg62-turbo liblcms2-utils libmng1 libode1
  libpoppler46 libreoffice-base-core libreoffice-calc libreoffice-common
  libreoffice-core libreoffice-draw libreoffice-gtk libreoffice-impress
  libreoffice-math libreoffice-writer libsdl-image1.2 libtiff5 libv4l-0
  libv4lconvert0 mplayer2 mpv mtpaint mupdf mupdf-tools

2nd edit:
i read /usr/bin/X is the Xserver
by running htop when having youtube playing in iceweasel (360p),
is it normal to have cpu usage 42% (iceweaseal takes 34%)?

jdmeaux1952 · posted: 2014-10-30 00:10

Your milage will vary on how far you push the pedal. It depends on your cpu. Open a terminal, run"inxi -F", then copy-and-paste here in your reply. Older slower cpus and low memory will run at a higher percentage tahn newer faster ones with gops of memory. Even with heavy video coding, I barely fit 20% with my INTEL I5-450m and 4 Gib memory.

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antix-rv@antix1:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 3.15.2-antix.1-486 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8 
           Distro: antiX-14-a3-RV_386-full Killah P 11 October 2014 
Machine:   Mobo: MICRO-STAR model: MS-16D3 v: REV:1.0 Bios: American Megatrends v: E16D3IMR.10B date: 06/01/2010
CPU:       Single core Intel Core i5 M 450 (-UP-) cache: 3072 KB clocked at 2400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1366x768@60.03hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.2.6
Audio:     Card Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.15.2-antix.1-486
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) driver: ath9k
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 74:f0:6d:32:de:66
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: 40:61:86:af:d7:2a
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (0.5% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HTS54505 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 21G used: 2.5G (13%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda10 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 44.0C mobo: N/A 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 91 Uptime: 11 min Memory: 255.8/3459.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.1.28

It is not unusual to have several dependencies to a program in linux. Like UNIX and OS-9 (see if anyone remembers that one), a program will have have several parts that have to work together. Sort of modular in form.

zpimp · posted: 2014-10-30 19:10

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demo@antix1:~
$ inxi -F
System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 3.15.2-antix.1-486 i686 (32 bit) Desktop: IceWM 1.3.8 
           Distro: antiX-14-a3-RV_386-full Killah P 11 October 2014 
Machine:   System: Acer product: Aspire 7739G v: V1.04
           Mobo: Acer model: HMA71_CP v: Type2 - Board Version Bios: Insyde v: V1.04 date: 10/11/2011
CPU:       Single core Intel Core i3 M 380 (-UP-) cache: 3072 KB clocked at 2533 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           Card-2: NVIDIA GF108M [GeForce 610M]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.16.1 drivers: nouveau,intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1600x900@60.08hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ironlake Mobile x86/MMX/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1 Mesa 10.2.6
Audio:     Card Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel 
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.15.2-antix.1-486
Network:   Card-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k
           IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 9c:b7:0d:0c:cf:d5
           Card-2: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet driver: atl1c
           IF: eth0 state: down mac: e8:40:f2:1b:91:0b
Drives:    HDD Total Size: NA (-) ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200BPVT size: 320.1GB
           ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: Transcend_16GB size: 16.2GB
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 50.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 46.0 
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A 
Info:      Processes: 87 Uptime: 43 min Memory: 271.7/2325.4MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.1.28

at the time i took htop screenshot i was playing music opened libreoffice writer 2 documents, 1 pdf, paint, music, 2 youtube videos and i was barely using 500mb ram __{{emoticon}}__

edit: i think i found the problem
CPU: Single core Intel Core i3 M 380 (-UP-) cache: 3072 KB clocked at 2533 MHz
it could be that the kernel does not support multiple processors ?

dolphin_oracle · posted: 2014-10-30 20:45

could be , the 3.15 kernel has a lot of problems. we aren't testing it anymore. it could also be in the firmware or microcode misidentifying the core. before you mentioned it I didn't notice, but it marked my core i5 as single-core as well. the 3.17 64bit version correctly ID's the part as dual core.

jdmeaux1952 · posted: 2014-10-30 22:23

I had figured the 3.15 kernel was the culprit.

anticapitalista · posted: 2014-10-30 23:14

If you have it installed, you could try installing a later kernel from the repos. (3.17.1 should be available from the antiX repo)

Or try other debian or debian-based kernels (not Ubuntu though) and see if it works better. PLMK

zpimp · posted: 2014-10-31 15:47

i do not have it installed, i run from usb
after more searching and reading, the xorg high cpu usage is not uncommon
sometimes it even lags, when opening too many apps i found youtube stuttering

suggestions include
-launch apps with parameter --graphics-output raster
-turn off anti aliasing and graphic effects
-software mode rendering

any idea how do i try these solutions ?
on peppermint5 gui and youtube feels snappier

but for some reason i like antix more
thanks for your work/help, and hope to get this thing sorted out

rokytnji · 31 Oct 2014, 16:53 #8 2014-10-31 16:53

Well, I'll just mention you are running a 32bit testing usb on a I3 64bit laptop.
Might be better to run the 64bit testing with Bitjams new viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5350

dolphin_oracle · posted: 2014-10-31 18:08

that's a good point by roky. if you are new to linux, you probably want to start with whatever distro you choose's stable version. The version 14 you are running is alpha, which if you are not up on development terms, is not intended to be used except for testing and squashing bugs. think of the system as a first draft.

For antiX, the lastest stable release is 13.2 If you choose to check out the MX variant, the latest version there is 14.2. don't get too hung up on the version numbers, as antiX 13.2 still receives updates and is quite good. It's my current day-to-day system.

and if you want to know about configuring and customizing antiX, as well as a few other things, check out my youtube channel in my sig below. Its all antiX, all the time (well, sort of).

If you choose to keep testing the antiX alpha, by all means do so. But we are no longer evaluating the 32bit versions because the kernel (3.15) is rife with problems and they tend to overshadow the other dev work. Later 32-bit alphas and betas will have a newer kernel. The 64 bit versions use kernel 3.17 already and work much better, especially on hardware like yours.

Dave · posted: 2014-10-31 19:28

That cpu percentage is normal for my i3, however if I push it a little farther (around 60% IIRC ) the cpu will scale up and the percentage used will drop to about 20%. So I think to get a truely acurate reading like with older systems you will need to disable cpu scaling, this will use ALOT more battery though in my findings. Same goes for the intel / nvidia scalling graphics, leaving the scaling on (intel at idle nvidia at high power) will use less battery. However in my case the switch is sometimes glitchy, so I have nvidia on all the time. I have almost the same laptop, a 7746G IIRC or maybe a 5746G Same CPU and graphics, different ram (6GB) and hdd (750Gb hdd new) anyway... Nice upgrades I made for this are installing an SSD (I have an 120GB intel $80) and the intel 7260hmw (wireless, bluetooth, and HiDi $30)