topic title: Ogg Streams
Posts: 39
frogprince
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
#1
I'm running Antix 16/64 bit, and I cannot find a music player application I can get to play an ogg stream and a pls stream, e.g.,
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or
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url was:"https://somafm.com/groovesalad.pls"
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, None of the full featured ones will. Clementine and Rhythmbox won't play any internet radio stations at all, including the ones that come with the packages; Goggles won't; Audacious won't; Gnome Mplayer won't; xmms2d doesn't seem to be in the repository, so qmmms2 won't work. Xmms will play ogg, but not pls, and won't store a list of stations. Firefox will play pls, but not ogg. I've put in all the gstreamer plugins that I can find, good, bad, and ugly. What am I missing? Thanks in advance.
Posts: 39
frogprince
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
#2
Finally, after running through multiple applications, I have found that Audacious will indeed play both. What that means to me is that the correct plugins are in place. I've dealt with Linux sound apps before, and it's messy, but why won't the other apps pick up the installed correct plugins?
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#3
frogprince wrote:xmms2d doesn't seem to be in the repository, so qmmms2 won't work.
qmmms2 ? Do you mean
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?

What that means to me is that the correct plugins are in place.

why won't the other apps pick up the installed correct plugins?
Visit
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and understand it's presumptive to expect that a single One RiNg To RuLe ThEm All"correct" ogg/vorbis plugin exists
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#4
Here are some additional apps for your consideration. Idunno which of 'em can, specifically, play"ogg streams and pls streams".
For the apps which are available as packages from debian repositories, you can (should) visit
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and search by packagename, taking note of any listed rec (recommended) (vs"depends on") packages.
Toward avoiding bloat, antiX is pre-configured to not auto-install"recommended" packages.
For a given player app, you may need to manually select, and install, one or multiple additional"recommended" app-specific plugin packages.

debian package"qmpdclient"
debian package"streamtuner2"
debian package"tunapie" (screenshots
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debian package"
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debian package"mpd" ( docs
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debian package"mp3blaster" (screenshots
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) ( newest, unreleased, code is available
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debian package"radiotray" (features documentation
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"pyradio" (
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"gradio" (
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frogprince
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
#5
skidoo wrote: Here are some additional apps for your consideration. Idunno which of 'em can, specifically, play"ogg streams and pls streams".
For the apps which are available as packages from debian repositories, you can (should) visit
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linktext was:"h t t p s:// packages.debian.org"
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and search by packagename, taking note of any listed rec (recommended) (vs"depends on") packages.
Toward avoiding bloat, antiX is pre-configured to not auto-install"recommended" packages.
For a given player app, you may need to manually select, and install, one or multiple additional"recommended" app-specific plugin packages.

debian package"qmpdclient"
debian package"streamtuner2"
debian package"tunapie" (screenshots
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linktext was:"here"
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)
debian package"
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url was:"https://packages.debian.org/stretch/alsaplayer-gtk"
linktext was:"alsaplayer-gtk"
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"
debian package"mpd" ( docs
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url was:"https://www.musicpd.org/"
linktext was:"here"
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)
debian package"mp3blaster" (screenshots
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url was:"https://screenshots.debian.net/package/mp3blaster"
linktext was:"here"
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) ( newest, unreleased, code is available
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linktext was:"here"
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)
debian package"radiotray" (features documentation
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linktext was:"here"
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)
"pyradio" (
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)
"gradio" (
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)
Thanks, Skiddoo, that gives me some things to research. Linux audio is complex, and I'd like to understand it better. I at least have one working application now. 
anticapitalista
Posts: 5,955
Site Admin
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
#6
mpv plays both those links in a terminal.
As does moc.
So does xmms

All installed on antiX.
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frogprince
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
#7
anticapitalista wrote: mpv plays both those links in a terminal.
As does moc.
So does xmms

All installed on antiX.
Thanks, anticapitalista, but what I want to figure out is why Clementine, Rhythmbox, Gnome Player, and Exaile don't work and Audacious, mpv, moc, and xmms do. I feel that I need to compile a list of what program needs what plugins, and eventually I may do that. If I'm successful, I'll post it here for other's use.
Posts: 2,238
dolphin_oracle
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
#8
frogprince wrote:
anticapitalista wrote: mpv plays both those links in a terminal.
As does moc.
So does xmms

All installed on antiX.
Thanks, anticapitalista, but what I want to figure out is why Clementine, Rhythmbox, Gnome Player, and Exaile don't work and Audacious, mpv, moc, and xmms do. I feel that I need to compile a list of what program needs what plugins, and eventually I may do that. If I'm successful, I'll post it here for other's use.
Don't forget to check gstreamer versions.  Some apps will require gstreamer0.10 and some will need gstreamer1.0 ( this applies to jessie-based repos...not stretch based.)
Posts: 4,164
rokytnji
Joined: 20 Feb 2009
#9
I might be missing something here. But
Xmms will play ogg, but not pls,

Code: Select all

harry@biker:~
$ cd Music
harry@biker:~/Music
$ ls
Music  Music1  Music2  stream  Trip
harry@biker:~/Music
$ cd stream
harry@biker:~/Music/stream
$ ls
106_rock.pls           Great_Big_Radio.pls     liveandloud_radio.pls    RadioDP.pls
2nd2none.pls           gultch_radio.pls        MavKickAss_radio.pls     Rage_989.pls
AGX.pls                Hamilton.pls            Misfits_radio.pls        Sanctuary.pls
AmpZ_Adults.pls        hypnotic_radio.pls      MNR.pls                  Shizophonic.pls
Audio_Ink.pls          icygold_radio.pls       namesaker.pls            sinister.pls
bglradio.pls           idiosync_radio.pls      No-Boundries_radio.pls   Supernatural.pls
Boardies.pls           ikoala_radio.pls        Nuclear_Rock_radio.pls   Sweet_Harmony.pls
Classic_Deep_cuts.pls  indie_revolution.pls    Nuff.pls                 The_Edge101.pls
Creek_valley.pls       insane-realm_radio.pls  Perihelion_radio.pls     Total-Metal.pls
Dangerous.pls          jammerz_radio.pls       Pet_Gaurdians_radio.pls  V103.pls
Dark_Mother.pls        KGUP_radio.pls          Philly-rock_radio.pls    Wide_Radius.pls
Dead_to_self.pls       KXZR_radio.pls          Phoenix_Underground.pls  Xenu.pls
DoomNation.pls         Lava.pls                planet_radio.pls         xlr8.pls
Edge.pls               lava_radio.pls          ProgRock.pls
GenX.pls               Legion.pls              psychedelic_radio.pls
When I listen to KikNovak .ogg radio station. No problemo either. As far as those heavy media centers. I don't even bother using them
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skidoo
Joined: 09 Feb 2012
#10
post#7 was the bottom post when I started drafting this, so scusa if some of the following is redundant
and why Audacious, mpv, moc, and xmms do
[. . .]
compile a list of what program needs what plugins,
For each package, dpkg already provides a list, e.g."xmms2"
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That same info is also available via the synaptic package manager ui; browsing online is quicker/easier to jump around by following hyperlinks.
You can notice that the"audacious","xmms2","mpv", and"moc" packaging has most/all the l'il bits declared as hard dependencies.
want to figure out is why Clementine, Rhythmbox, Gnome Player, and Exaile don't work
exaile (FWIW, has been dropped from debian repositories, as of debian9 aka"stretch")
recommended troubleshooting steps:
Install package"python-beautifulsoup", then retry ogg stream playback.
If the above doesn't solve, install"gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad" and"gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly" (if currently absent on your system), then retry.
If still no joy, obtain+install from wheezy-backports repository"gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg" and retry
-----"gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg", I haven't tested whether that is installable on my antiX+jessie system. You may find that dpkg detects a conflict, and prevents its installation.

rhythmbox
recommended troubleshooting steps:
Install package"rhythmbox-plugins" (if currently absent on your system), then retry.
If the above doesn't solve, install"gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad" and"gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly" (if currently absent on your system), then retry.
----- note: these are separate from, DIFFERENT from, the"version 0.10" libraries mentioned above, for exaile ----

clementine
recommended troubleshooting steps:
Ensure the appropriate"0.10" sound server connector ("gstreamer0.10-alsa" --or --"gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio") is installed on your system.


AFAIK, presence of both"gstreamer1.0-plugins-*" and"gstreamer0.10-plugins-*" doesn't cause conflicts (breakage)but... back in the day,
the application developers and package maintainers probably decided to keep those versioned components optional, to minimize the potential of future breakage.
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frogprince
Joined: 08 Nov 2012
#11
So, we may have a system problem. When I try to install"gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad:i386", Synaptic tells me that that package set is broken. Running Edit/Fix Broken Packages doesn't help, nor does reloading the packages. Might this be a Debian bug?