Hi all, I could do with some guidance. I can't find any clear instructions on how to do a persistent frugal Install to hard disk. Do I need separate partitions for system files and data, or can everything go onto one large partition? Also, enabling persistence instructions are a bit vague. I currently have 2 hdd, sda has xp and lxle, and sdb has 22gb ntfs data partition, and legacy os ext2. I intend to format the legacy partition for this install. Grub2 (I think!) is on sda, and I think I can edit grub.cfg from instructions I've found. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

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With Frugal I am not familiar ...
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Grub What you have on board, shows the commandor

Dolphin Oracle has the videos set up on YouTube for making a core install, which is the same as a frugal install; a minimal linux setup with only the files you want. Go checkout his channel at
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jdmeaux1952 wrote:Dolphin Oracle has the videos set up on YouTube for making a core install, which is the same as a frugal install; a minimal linux setup with only the files you want. Go checkout his channel at
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actually antiX core is NOT the same as a frugal install. the frugal install is sort of like running live, but off the internal drive instead of off a usb or cd. antiX 15 will feature a new automated frugal installer as well. the frugal installer already is featured in MX as of 14.2.

that advantage to running frugal off the internal drive over just a regular install is that besides not needing its own partition, you can still us the toram feature from live and its quite fast, faster than a regular install I believe.

Sorry, D.O. My mistake! I really never saw anywhere that explained the difference of what a frugal install was and what a core install was.

JD

The basic principles behind a frugal install are that it behaves like a live distro that runs from your hard drive.
So you need a bootloader, a kernel, & an initrd type of file containing your system.
On some distros installs you add home=/dev/your-drive into the kernel boot line of your bootloader to set up a permanent /home directory.

Thanks guys. I think I understand the basic installation, it's what to do with the partitions - do I need two partitions, one for the system files and one to save to, or can I copy files from iso directly to one large partition, and use the rest of the space for files? Also, do I need to do this from an existing OS, or can I copy the iso files from a live cd environment? - I suspect not due to antiX running from the cd I need to copy. I'm going to look at the dolphin oracle videos at some point when I get a chance, but I did search Youtube and didn't find anything directly relevant, hence this thread.

I've installed to hard drive normally for now, but with a p3 processor and only 512mb ram, I would love to speed things up further.

Alternatively, how would MX-14 run on my system as a frugal install, I read that the installer has a frugal option. I have got a 1400 MHz p3 Tualatin processor, but I'm unfortunately maxed out on ram. Could I lighten it after install by adding iceWM, as in antiX? Thanks.

You could give MX-14.3 a try and use the frugal install option. This will ask where you want to install the files too and then ask if you wish to set up root and home persistence. You should do this so changes will be kept.

It is possible to lighten MX-14.3 RAM wise and keep Xfce if you wish.

I'll definitely give that a go tomorrow. Will frugal run okay with 512mb ram, as I understand that the os itself runs from ram? Will there be enough ram available, along with a swap partition, to run smoothly? Also, how would I go about lightening the os, just removing heavy software? Many thanks for your time btw, just watched linuxguy review and mx-14 looks awesome!

Running frugal from the hard drive doesn't run in RAM (though it can if you use the toram cheat in F4, but there isn't really any need to do so).

The best way to lighten the os if running frugal with persistence is to stop services you do not need from running.

What are your needs? For example, running the default browser with 30 tabs open and playing youtube videos, obviously won't work with such low RAM.

The most intensive use is probably playing acestream links and general Web browsing/YouTube etc. Do you think frugal mx would be better than full antiX install, or should I stick how I am?

I have a PIII box with 512MB RAM with antiX installed to hard drive using fluxbox as the windows manager and the initial RAM usage after boot to 'desktop' is c60MB. All fine and dandy! However, playing youtube videos via the default browser is painful to say the least. I have to play the videos outside the browser, in this case using gtkyoutube-viewer. MX comes with minitube IIRC to basically do the same thing.

It has nothing to do with antiX/MX, but how heavy modern browsers have become and how heavy the internet is these days, especially video. There is very little we can do about it, unfortunately.

I'm finding with Firefox and libflash 11.1 that YouTube isn't too bad and even BBC sport snooker played embedded in the sport website, quality wasn't great but definitely watchable. Sound was in sync too! I was using minitube on lxle and it worked well, but BBC sport never worked, just a black screen. I think I'll shrink my antiX partition and install mx alongside antiX to compare, I'll have to wrestle with logical partitions though!

Btw while your on here, I tried to do the upgrade script and it said it wasn't installed so I did a dist-upgrade. I immediately got various i/o errors on reboot. It did reboot on the 2nd or 3rd attempt but still listed the errors. Any idea what went wrong?

paulpinckston wrote:Btw while your on here, I tried to do the upgrade script and it said it wasn't installed so I did a dist-upgrade. I immediately got various i/o errors on reboot. It did reboot on the 2nd or 3rd attempt but still listed the errors. Any idea what went wrong?

Hard to tell without knowing exactly what went wrong.